Version 7 > Song Text
5/19/2013 6:25:57 PM
Hi guys,
I've been trying to find the settings which allow nice and clean transitions between song parts and blank backgrounds, I think they are called 'muted' text maybe.
I didn't realize that our old version was so nice until we started using SS7, and it was then that we began to notice several differences between the old and the new. Some of them are subtle, some are not so subtle, but mostly I believe they are just settings that don't get changed much at all.
I've read through the User Manual a lot and I understand the power of using Global Display Properties and Templates. I want to leverage this functionality to help others (and myself) manage our content while keeping certain settings universal.
When I am presenting and we get to the end of a song, I hit the * key, which fades the last verse out over 1 second and the background image remains. But when I begin the first part of the next song, the last lyrics that were displayed, just before the blank (image) background fade in, together with the new lyrics, then the old lyrics fade out.
But this is fairly distracting to see the old ones first and then the new lyrics replacing them. It's not a big deal, but it's a change that the old version didn't do. (And before you ask, none of us remember which version we upgraded from, but it was at least 4 or 5 years ago since we upgraded.)
I realize that it's mostly like not a function of what the old version 'did' vs. the new version does it differently so much as it's probably just a combination of display settings and transitions that we had set. Still though, I seem to be unable to hit upon the right combination of Last Verse--Blank Background--First Verse that is smooth.
There are just so many places to add animation and effects, between Song Text, Slide Text, Backgrounds, Blank Slides and Transitions that I have spent dozens and dozens (probably over 100 now) of minutes experimenting with different settings, but nothing makes it work like I'm wanting it to work, which our old version did.
In building Slides it seems like there is Entrance and Exit effects, and that's pretty much what I'm wanting to achieve with the blank (no text) Background Image of our song text. And there is the option to sort of stack up different effects, I guess? Or at least add multiple effects, and I was experimenting with adding 100% Transparency to the end of a slide, or stacking up 100% opaque on display and 100% Transparent on the ending, but there are no timing attributes to these effects. And even if there were, I don't want the effect 'timed' as much as I just want it to not 'ghost' up there again before fading.
Does that make sense?
Thanks, Bill~
I've been trying to find the settings which allow nice and clean transitions between song parts and blank backgrounds, I think they are called 'muted' text maybe.
I didn't realize that our old version was so nice until we started using SS7, and it was then that we began to notice several differences between the old and the new. Some of them are subtle, some are not so subtle, but mostly I believe they are just settings that don't get changed much at all.
I've read through the User Manual a lot and I understand the power of using Global Display Properties and Templates. I want to leverage this functionality to help others (and myself) manage our content while keeping certain settings universal.
When I am presenting and we get to the end of a song, I hit the * key, which fades the last verse out over 1 second and the background image remains. But when I begin the first part of the next song, the last lyrics that were displayed, just before the blank (image) background fade in, together with the new lyrics, then the old lyrics fade out.
But this is fairly distracting to see the old ones first and then the new lyrics replacing them. It's not a big deal, but it's a change that the old version didn't do. (And before you ask, none of us remember which version we upgraded from, but it was at least 4 or 5 years ago since we upgraded.)
I realize that it's mostly like not a function of what the old version 'did' vs. the new version does it differently so much as it's probably just a combination of display settings and transitions that we had set. Still though, I seem to be unable to hit upon the right combination of Last Verse--Blank Background--First Verse that is smooth.
There are just so many places to add animation and effects, between Song Text, Slide Text, Backgrounds, Blank Slides and Transitions that I have spent dozens and dozens (probably over 100 now) of minutes experimenting with different settings, but nothing makes it work like I'm wanting it to work, which our old version did.
In building Slides it seems like there is Entrance and Exit effects, and that's pretty much what I'm wanting to achieve with the blank (no text) Background Image of our song text. And there is the option to sort of stack up different effects, I guess? Or at least add multiple effects, and I was experimenting with adding 100% Transparency to the end of a slide, or stacking up 100% opaque on display and 100% Transparent on the ending, but there are no timing attributes to these effects. And even if there were, I don't want the effect 'timed' as much as I just want it to not 'ghost' up there again before fading.
Does that make sense?
Thanks, Bill~
5/20/2013 7:59:54 AM
I've never used the * key and have only used the 'muted text' feature a few times, so I've never seen that bug.
It sounds like you want to display 2 songs, with the same background, and have the first song's last lyrics fad out (over about 1 second) before displaying the next song.
I also, almost never use the exit animations, so if you've tried that, and it doesn't work like you want it to, the simplest way I can think of, to do what you want is to put a blank slide, using the same background, and with a 1 second full fade transition, in between the two songs.
The fade transition to the blank would give the appearance that the text is fading away; and you certainly will not see the text from the last song appear when you start the next.
It sounds like you want to display 2 songs, with the same background, and have the first song's last lyrics fad out (over about 1 second) before displaying the next song.
I also, almost never use the exit animations, so if you've tried that, and it doesn't work like you want it to, the simplest way I can think of, to do what you want is to put a blank slide, using the same background, and with a 1 second full fade transition, in between the two songs.
The fade transition to the blank would give the appearance that the text is fading away; and you certainly will not see the text from the last song appear when you start the next.
5/20/2013 9:01:02 AM
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the reply. I guess part of my challenge might be due to the fact that this isn't really a slide show, it's just using the song portion of the Program so I didn't really even think of using a slide between songs. I guess I could try that approach. I think the star key (*) is the shortcut for 'muted text' feature. And yes all our songs for a given set typically have the same background image.
While we do mute the text in between songs we also sometimes will mute the text during instrumental parts of the same song and return to the lyrics when the leader does.
I can understand that when you change the song parts, the old text fades as the new text appears, but if you mute the previous text, it seems odd that the old muted text appears (sort of blinks back in there) before fading out again. It wouldn't even be much of an issue if it weren't that the old Songshow didn't show it that way. Once the text was muted, it didn't come back.
That is the point that makes me think it's quite possible to configure this behavior in the new version too.
Blessings, Bill~
Thanks for the reply. I guess part of my challenge might be due to the fact that this isn't really a slide show, it's just using the song portion of the Program so I didn't really even think of using a slide between songs. I guess I could try that approach. I think the star key (*) is the shortcut for 'muted text' feature. And yes all our songs for a given set typically have the same background image.
While we do mute the text in between songs we also sometimes will mute the text during instrumental parts of the same song and return to the lyrics when the leader does.
I can understand that when you change the song parts, the old text fades as the new text appears, but if you mute the previous text, it seems odd that the old muted text appears (sort of blinks back in there) before fading out again. It wouldn't even be much of an issue if it weren't that the old Songshow didn't show it that way. Once the text was muted, it didn't come back.
That is the point that makes me think it's quite possible to configure this behavior in the new version too.
Blessings, Bill~
5/20/2013 10:59:35 AM
There is another way to get what you want (and I suspect with even better results, but it requires more time): Program the songs.
I get the set list every week from the Worship Leader, with the songs and the verse order (e.g., V1, C, V2, C, I, C, B, C).
I add the song to the program in advance, using the verse order provided, adding a blank verse at the beginning, end and for musical Interludes in each song.
But the time consuming part: attend rehurshal and verify the verse order. Our band sometimes plays the song exactly as planned, but almost always plays it exactly as rehearsed. Our wrong slide (or late slide) errors have virtually disappeared since we began rehearsing with the band, and by using the program features, you will have a much easier time controlling the transitions.
And the best part, during the service, you just use the '+' button to click through the song.
I get the set list every week from the Worship Leader, with the songs and the verse order (e.g., V1, C, V2, C, I, C, B, C).
I add the song to the program in advance, using the verse order provided, adding a blank verse at the beginning, end and for musical Interludes in each song.
But the time consuming part: attend rehurshal and verify the verse order. Our band sometimes plays the song exactly as planned, but almost always plays it exactly as rehearsed. Our wrong slide (or late slide) errors have virtually disappeared since we began rehearsing with the band, and by using the program features, you will have a much easier time controlling the transitions.
And the best part, during the service, you just use the '+' button to click through the song.
5/20/2013 12:24:50 PM
We program the verse order of songs and always start with a title slide and always end with a blank slide. If I notice during practice that there will be an instrumental break of more than 4 bars or so, then I'll add a blank slide there as well.
5/20/2013 1:00:10 PM
I will definitely give this a look to see if it might work better than the Muted Text option. Setting the order isn't probably an option here since each worship leader often does their own thing, the way they are used to doing it. It would end up being changed and saved multiple times or we'd have multiple versions to create and manage, so not a likely option for us.
Having one 'go to' slide in each song might provide the 'quiet' transitions I'm looking for. Several of us presenters like the keyboard controls for changing from verse to chorus and bridge. We do find ourselves wanting one for Pre-Chrous quite often, and I guess we'll have to build a custom shortcut for those.
But we have found with this version that there are times when the keyboard shortcuts don't seem to work, and I think it may have to do with a subtle change in 'focus' within the SS application or something. About 1/2 the time the shortcuts quite working as expected it seems the mouse clicks fail to make the desired verse change too! Usually SS 'recovers' after a few tries, but about 1 in 5 or 10 times, the whole thing locks up. Probably a nagging little video card or memory glitch or something.
Thanks, Bill~
Having one 'go to' slide in each song might provide the 'quiet' transitions I'm looking for. Several of us presenters like the keyboard controls for changing from verse to chorus and bridge. We do find ourselves wanting one for Pre-Chrous quite often, and I guess we'll have to build a custom shortcut for those.
But we have found with this version that there are times when the keyboard shortcuts don't seem to work, and I think it may have to do with a subtle change in 'focus' within the SS application or something. About 1/2 the time the shortcuts quite working as expected it seems the mouse clicks fail to make the desired verse change too! Usually SS 'recovers' after a few tries, but about 1 in 5 or 10 times, the whole thing locks up. Probably a nagging little video card or memory glitch or something.
Thanks, Bill~
5/20/2013 1:09:55 PM
the other option is in the media control panel. The blank slide should show up there with the verses and such while you're displaying a song.
We have a default verse order set with the song, but when we add it to the program for a service, I will tweak it as we go through practice to flow more with how that worship leader is doing it that time. That is stored with the program, leaving the defailt order with the song in the song data base as a starting point for next time.
We have a default verse order set with the song, but when we add it to the program for a service, I will tweak it as we go through practice to flow more with how that worship leader is doing it that time. That is stored with the program, leaving the defailt order with the song in the song data base as a starting point for next time.
5/20/2013 1:43:49 PM
Hey thanks Joel, I'll give that a try too. Our new monitor is one of those wide format jobs and we flipped it vertically, so there should be room to see what you're suggesting.
(It's a good thing too, because that was my first big complaint about SS7 is in single monitor mode, the Workstation version which we 'content editors' have downloaded and installed on our personal computers, leaves very few options for really previewing content, and generally learning how things are really going to work on the main, dual-monitor setup at church.) But this complaint is largely mitigated on the dual monitor setup. The other annoyance is that playing around too much with customizing display configurations can really lock you out and force a re-install. Part of that difficult test environment is no doubt compounded by my HP Folio laptop with on-board graphics and Win 8! lol... Eventually had to just accept the default layout to maintain stability.
(It's a good thing too, because that was my first big complaint about SS7 is in single monitor mode, the Workstation version which we 'content editors' have downloaded and installed on our personal computers, leaves very few options for really previewing content, and generally learning how things are really going to work on the main, dual-monitor setup at church.) But this complaint is largely mitigated on the dual monitor setup. The other annoyance is that playing around too much with customizing display configurations can really lock you out and force a re-install. Part of that difficult test environment is no doubt compounded by my HP Folio laptop with on-board graphics and Win 8! lol... Eventually had to just accept the default layout to maintain stability.
5/20/2013 2:12:42 PM
I routinely use the * key for songs, slideshows, and scripture and have never experienced what you describe. The text fades out and fades back in at 0.8 sec (our setting) and, if I go to the next slide or verse, it fades in similarly. My only qripe about the fade is that it can't be made universal (i.e, presently there is no fade going backwards or when using the mouse to click ahead).
5/20/2013 3:49:05 PM
Bill, Just making sure you realize that you do not need to create a slide show to add a blank slide to a program. Just right click on a song in the program panel and click on Insert, then Blank Slide. A Blank Slide will be inserted before the song.
5/20/2013 5:13:49 PM
@Dick Atkins - So if I understand you correctly, you're saying that "The text fades out and FADES BACK IN..." when it fades back in, presumably this is after a few seconds, or some amount of time for the next song or verse to be needed, and at that time there is no 'ghosting' of the old lyrics that were originally faded out. Is that correct?
@William - I was not sure about whether a 'slide' could be inserted like this. Presumably this is a Program Item and not a Song Part, is that correct? I will look into this too.
Thank you guys so much, these are great suggestions! = )
@William - I was not sure about whether a 'slide' could be inserted like this. Presumably this is a Program Item and not a Song Part, is that correct? I will look into this too.
Thank you guys so much, these are great suggestions! = )
5/20/2013 5:43:01 PM
when it fades back in, presumably this is after a few seconds
It fades back in when I hit the * key again. Our pastor sometimes uses a verse of scripture, then goes off on a long story, then back on the scripture, etc. I feel it's better not to have the scripture up during times when it is not being directly referred to. So I will fade it out, wait until he is back on the scripture, and fade back in -- sometimes a few times. Often one scripture is faded out and then he goes to another and I mouse-click it to bring it up. Unfortunately, the mouse-click will not have the fade, but it never shows the previous text for an instant as you describe.
5/20/2013 7:56:22 PM
Bill, Yes it is a program item. It has its own properties. You can set the background to be the same as the song, or override it with its own properties.
5/20/2013 9:51:31 PM
Okay cool, I tried a couple of things out here at home and I see what you mean Joel, about the Title Slide in the songs. It does what I was wanting the Clear Display Toggle (aka the star "*" key) to do, namely leave the cleared out text, even as the next song part gets presented.
I kind of like the idea of the Title Slide, just to keep the song context, if used during an interlude, but it appears that the Blank Slide does almost the same thing.
I've never really expanded the Songs (hit the down triangle) in the Program Panel before, but we just use the Program Inspector Panel to visually see which Song part we're on. So this Title Slide, or the Blank Slide with the proper settings might work too. Now I'm curious to see if our 'normal' (custom) song collection has these elements as the demos appear to have.
I think the reason we rarely expanded the Songs in the Program Panel before was simply because we had limited screen real estate with which to experiment with. Now with our bigger main display, we can try it out and see if that will do what I'm thinking we may be able to do now.
And even though the Blank Slide with all the same properties set as the Song backgrounds have would also work, it would require bouncing in and out of the song and might be a little easier to get lost. hmm... Now if only there were a keyboard shortcut for the Title Slide and Blank Slide!
Thanks again you guys, this will help me along the way!
Blessings, Bill~
I kind of like the idea of the Title Slide, just to keep the song context, if used during an interlude, but it appears that the Blank Slide does almost the same thing.
I've never really expanded the Songs (hit the down triangle) in the Program Panel before, but we just use the Program Inspector Panel to visually see which Song part we're on. So this Title Slide, or the Blank Slide with the proper settings might work too. Now I'm curious to see if our 'normal' (custom) song collection has these elements as the demos appear to have.
I think the reason we rarely expanded the Songs in the Program Panel before was simply because we had limited screen real estate with which to experiment with. Now with our bigger main display, we can try it out and see if that will do what I'm thinking we may be able to do now.
And even though the Blank Slide with all the same properties set as the Song backgrounds have would also work, it would require bouncing in and out of the song and might be a little easier to get lost. hmm... Now if only there were a keyboard shortcut for the Title Slide and Blank Slide!
Thanks again you guys, this will help me along the way!
Blessings, Bill~
5/21/2013 7:17:04 AM
Now if only there were a keyboard shortcut for the Title Slide and Blank Slide!Well, of course, the * key IS a shortcut to Blank Slide -- I use it often when there is a pause in the singing for instrumental interludes and transitions.
5/21/2013 8:12:45 AM
Posted By Dick Akins on 21 May 2013 07:17 AM
Now if only there were a keyboard shortcut for the Title Slide and Blank Slide!Well, of course, the * key IS a shortcut to Blank Slide -- I use it often when there is a pause in the singing for instrumental interludes and transitions.
Correction: The * key is not a short cut for Blank Slide - it is the Clear Display Toggle short cut. This is an important distinction since the Blank Slide is not a toggle but a new slide and it can have properties assigned where the Clear Display Toggle cannot.
Related FYI - the / key is the Mute Display Toggle.
For details on the differences between these and their intended operation and behavior, take a look at KB SSP096.
At present, there are no keyboard shortcuts for Title or Blank slides.
5/21/2013 8:36:21 AM
Bill,
In addition to the good suggestions by users posted here, I would suggest that you refer to the training videos that are available to you as a current subscriber.
If you do not have your access set up you should contact the support team so that they can assist you.
There is a library of videos that can show you step by step how to do some of the things you have mentioned.
Also, referring to your mention of your change is display space - There are many ways to display and control the content in the Control Panel so I encourage you to explore and see what layout and tools best suit you and your team.
Hope this helps.
In addition to the good suggestions by users posted here, I would suggest that you refer to the training videos that are available to you as a current subscriber.
If you do not have your access set up you should contact the support team so that they can assist you.
There is a library of videos that can show you step by step how to do some of the things you have mentioned.
Also, referring to your mention of your change is display space - There are many ways to display and control the content in the Control Panel so I encourage you to explore and see what layout and tools best suit you and your team.
Hope this helps.
5/21/2013 8:45:25 AM
Ah HA!
So I was right, but the former behavior was 'incorrect' and has now been corrected. Thank you George, for that clarification. My quest is over! lol... I can stop looking because I won't find it, however it's possible the / key will do what I'm wishing for.
It does seem unnecessary to throw up the last contents if and when the slide is changing, only to have it quickly fade out. That's my 2¢ worth.
Hey nice bike too George!
Thanks to all who helped me get to the resolution of this.
Blessings, Bill~
So I was right, but the former behavior was 'incorrect' and has now been corrected. Thank you George, for that clarification. My quest is over! lol... I can stop looking because I won't find it, however it's possible the / key will do what I'm wishing for.
It does seem unnecessary to throw up the last contents if and when the slide is changing, only to have it quickly fade out. That's my 2¢ worth.
Hey nice bike too George!
Thanks to all who helped me get to the resolution of this.
Blessings, Bill~
5/21/2013 8:53:54 AM
Hey George,
I have been through all the videos and they are very helpful. I am stepping up as a volunteer and was trained quite some time ago on our old version and old hardware which severely limited our ability to open things up and the nature of the task is such that there is no time for anything other than presenting as you were trained.
That is, until you step up to be a manager!
Now I have more time for learning and doing. That KB article actually described one of the behaviors we had attributed to SS being locked up, as we expected when we re-clicked on a Program Item after Muting the Display. We were expecting it to re-display and I am thinking now that the 'approved method' is to just toggle that Muted Display control. A little counter intuitive perhaps, but it makes sense if you understand it's a 'toggle.'
Thanks again!
Bill~
I have been through all the videos and they are very helpful. I am stepping up as a volunteer and was trained quite some time ago on our old version and old hardware which severely limited our ability to open things up and the nature of the task is such that there is no time for anything other than presenting as you were trained.
That is, until you step up to be a manager!
Now I have more time for learning and doing. That KB article actually described one of the behaviors we had attributed to SS being locked up, as we expected when we re-clicked on a Program Item after Muting the Display. We were expecting it to re-display and I am thinking now that the 'approved method' is to just toggle that Muted Display control. A little counter intuitive perhaps, but it makes sense if you understand it's a 'toggle.'
Thanks again!
Bill~
5/21/2013 10:48:34 AM
Correction: The * key is not a short cut for Blank Slide - it is the Clear Display Toggle short cut.
Sorry, that I mis-spoke; I do know the difference and use both the blank slide and the * key every week. I was really just referring to what I thought Bill was trying to do: which was to remove text and just present the background. I've never thought about having the blank slide with a different background, but I suppose there are reasons to do so. I use the blank slide in cases where I don't want to present a slide with text & background and the remove the text, i.e. when I need the background w/o text to start with. While were on the subject, it would be nice to have a blank slide available for scripture: maybe call it Genesis 0:0!
5/21/2013 1:51:53 PM
Posted By Dick Akins on 21 May 2013 10:48 AMOr 1 Hesitations.
...it would be nice to have a blank slide available for scripture: maybe call it Genesis 0:0!
5/21/2013 9:28:25 PM
Okay, well it seems that the included Blank Slide and Title Slide song elements perform as I want in transitioning from "Background without Text" to "Background with New Text" smoothly and clearly with no distractions.
But the Mute Display Toggle tool and the Clear Display Toggle tool each behave 'as expected' (by the developers, but not by me) with the 'ghosting artifact' of briefly displaying the last 'muted' text before displaying new text.
A pre-built Slide element can be inserted between songs to accomplish the same thing as the Song elements of Blank Slide and Title Slide, but that would have to be built to match each Program (or Global) Theme. But that seems like a little extra work, if the songs we use (mostly from the SongSelect Website) do indeed contain them as imported. I will have to wait until the next service to verify that.
I'll be the first to admit this is a pretty small detail that many folks probably wouldn't even notice. And going from verse to verse this is fine, by the way. The main reason I even noticed it is because our last version didn't do it, and that was my first exposure to this software, which is pretty amazing just the same.
Thanks, Bill~
But the Mute Display Toggle tool and the Clear Display Toggle tool each behave 'as expected' (by the developers, but not by me) with the 'ghosting artifact' of briefly displaying the last 'muted' text before displaying new text.
A pre-built Slide element can be inserted between songs to accomplish the same thing as the Song elements of Blank Slide and Title Slide, but that would have to be built to match each Program (or Global) Theme. But that seems like a little extra work, if the songs we use (mostly from the SongSelect Website) do indeed contain them as imported. I will have to wait until the next service to verify that.
I'll be the first to admit this is a pretty small detail that many folks probably wouldn't even notice. And going from verse to verse this is fine, by the way. The main reason I even noticed it is because our last version didn't do it, and that was my first exposure to this software, which is pretty amazing just the same.
Thanks, Bill~
5/22/2013 4:06:51 PM
Bill,
Just to clarify again. There is a built-in song part within every song called "Blank Slide". There is also a separate program element called "Blank Slide" which is inserted by right-clicking within the program list and clicking "Insert", then "Blank Slide". The blank slide then shows up as a separate displayable program element, like a song, slide show, image, or video.
Just to clarify again. There is a built-in song part within every song called "Blank Slide". There is also a separate program element called "Blank Slide" which is inserted by right-clicking within the program list and clicking "Insert", then "Blank Slide". The blank slide then shows up as a separate displayable program element, like a song, slide show, image, or video.
5/25/2013 12:13:43 PM
Posted By Bill on 21 May 2013 09:28 PM
Okay, well it seems that the included Blank Slide and Title Slide song elements perform as I want in transitioning from "Background without Text" to "Background with New Text" smoothly and clearly with no distractions.
But the Mute Display Toggle tool and the Clear Display Toggle tool each behave 'as expected' (by the developers, but not by me) with the 'ghosting artifact' of briefly displaying the last 'muted' text before displaying new text.
A pre-built Slide element can be inserted between songs to accomplish the same thing as the Song elements of Blank Slide and Title Slide, but that would have to be built to match each Program (or Global) Theme. But that seems like a little extra work, if the songs we use (mostly from the SongSelect Website) do indeed contain them as imported. I will have to wait until the next service to verify that.
I'll be the first to admit this is a pretty small detail that many folks probably wouldn't even notice. And going from verse to verse this is fine, by the way. The main reason I even noticed it is because our last version didn't do it, and that was my first exposure to this software, which is pretty amazing just the same.
Thanks, Bill~
I also have the 'quick flash' of the previous text when using the "mute", and then switching to a different slide. I will also confirm that it has not ALWAYS done this. Older versions of SSP did not have this 'quick flash' of the last text displayed before changing slides. It would be REALLY AWESOME if our Music Director wouldn't end a song early, but when she does, I instinctively hit the "*" key; it is what I have always done. Once that is done, there is no way to do anything else without displaying the text that the MD didn't want displayed. I am trying to learn to click the blank slide in the "Media" control panel, but that cannot be done in an instant, especially when I would have to scroll to that object to click it.
5/25/2013 2:21:21 PM
Hi Gary,
I agree that while the Song Element Blank Slide or Title Slide will mimic the old behavior, it won't be nearly as easy just hitting the * key.
Maybe our SS programming team will bring this back as an optional setting, letting us control how that Clear Display Toggle behaves.
It seems like it should be the default behavior to me, but whatever the preferences of the various presenters, having the choice would be excellent!
I agree that while the Song Element Blank Slide or Title Slide will mimic the old behavior, it won't be nearly as easy just hitting the * key.
Maybe our SS programming team will bring this back as an optional setting, letting us control how that Clear Display Toggle behaves.
It seems like it should be the default behavior to me, but whatever the preferences of the various presenters, having the choice would be excellent!
8/2/2014 7:25:36 PM
Just thought I'd see if there's an update from the SSP team on this? I've just tested in the latest version and seen that it is still a bug.
I also, like others here, have figured out that I can use a "blank slide" item in the program to get around it. But that shouldn't really be a necessity, and wouldn't be, if the "Clear Display Toggle" and "Mute Display Toggle" worked correctly.
Of course, the next step would be (as previously mentioned) to be able to control allof the display properties for the "Clear Display Toggle" and "Mute Display Toggle", as opposed to just the transition time (as currently implemented).
I also, like others here, have figured out that I can use a "blank slide" item in the program to get around it. But that shouldn't really be a necessity, and wouldn't be, if the "Clear Display Toggle" and "Mute Display Toggle" worked correctly.
Of course, the next step would be (as previously mentioned) to be able to control allof the display properties for the "Clear Display Toggle" and "Mute Display Toggle", as opposed to just the transition time (as currently implemented).
8/6/2014 11:57:41 AM
Blair,
A couple of points here...
You say you have tested the latest version but you are posting in the Version 7 thread - Are you using the last build of version 7 or the latest version, which is Version 8?
Additionally, you are commenting on an old thread and stated that Mute and Clear are not working correctly. As far as we know they are currently working as expected.
Adding to that the fact that this thread wanders through a few different topics, I suggest that if you have a specific issue that you are encountering that you start a new thread for it in the appropriate version forum section. This will eliminate any confusion on what we are talking about.
Thanks.
A couple of points here...
You say you have tested the latest version but you are posting in the Version 7 thread - Are you using the last build of version 7 or the latest version, which is Version 8?
Additionally, you are commenting on an old thread and stated that Mute and Clear are not working correctly. As far as we know they are currently working as expected.
Adding to that the fact that this thread wanders through a few different topics, I suggest that if you have a specific issue that you are encountering that you start a new thread for it in the appropriate version forum section. This will eliminate any confusion on what we are talking about.
Thanks.
8/7/2014 10:15:46 PM
Thanks George,
My apologies. I found this thread through a forum-wide search, so never realized it was in the version 7 section! I will post again in the version 8 section. FYI I am indeed still having this issue with the latest version 8.0
Thanks,
Blair
My apologies. I found this thread through a forum-wide search, so never realized it was in the version 7 section! I will post again in the version 8 section. FYI I am indeed still having this issue with the latest version 8.0
Thanks,
Blair
8/7/2014 10:42:07 PM
Hi Blair,
For what it's worth, the original gist of this whole thread, by the time we got the experts on board with the issue, was that there was a difference in expectations between the developers and the user community.
The users seemed to agree that the 'as expected' behavior is that changing to a new slide, after Muting the Text of a previous slide, should just transition to the new slide without flashing the muted text briefly before changing to the next slide. The developers 'as expected' behavior is to flash the muted text before changing to the new slide.
The best that we could do as users is to request that the behavior be restored to the behavior of the previous version, and not flash the text, in the next version. Apparently that suggestion didn't make into version 8. I have not tried the released version 8, although I did try out the beta version.
Our best bet is to request that feature be included into the next version again, it seems.
It's still a great product though, this wasn't a deal breaker, just a little extra 'noise' for those who like subtlety in their Song Show presentations.
Cheers, Bill~
Bend Christian Fellowship
Bend, OR
For what it's worth, the original gist of this whole thread, by the time we got the experts on board with the issue, was that there was a difference in expectations between the developers and the user community.
The users seemed to agree that the 'as expected' behavior is that changing to a new slide, after Muting the Text of a previous slide, should just transition to the new slide without flashing the muted text briefly before changing to the next slide. The developers 'as expected' behavior is to flash the muted text before changing to the new slide.
The best that we could do as users is to request that the behavior be restored to the behavior of the previous version, and not flash the text, in the next version. Apparently that suggestion didn't make into version 8. I have not tried the released version 8, although I did try out the beta version.
Our best bet is to request that feature be included into the next version again, it seems.
It's still a great product though, this wasn't a deal breaker, just a little extra 'noise' for those who like subtlety in their Song Show presentations.
Cheers, Bill~
Bend Christian Fellowship
Bend, OR
8/31/2014 8:30:16 AM
What Bill is expression is a problem that appeared with the addition of the current Media Control panel. This issue has been reported by others, and I thought it was going to be resolved in a future update. To this point it has not. Where everyone is getting confused is Bill's description of what he is trying to do,
Scenario as it was previously been reported, and what is 'broken' compared to "Cued/Current/Next" (SspComplete.2012-11-15???) and prior.
User is displaying a song in whatever order is set (be it preset or default)
Instead of singing the next verse or chorus, the music leader abruptly ends the song or has a musical interlude
The operator, not knowing what to put on the screen or what is coming next, quickly hits the "*" key to remove the wrong lyrics from the screen.
The music leader now sings a totally different verse/chorus, or goes to another song.
The operator finds the correct lyrics/song to put on the screen and clicks the text or "Play" button
The display shows the last WRONG lyrics on the screen and then transitions to correct lyrics.
This did not happen prior to "Cued/Current/Next" going away. I am not sure when it started, as we skipped a few of the updates until we were comfortable with not being able to see the next scheduled slide. Having this restored would be AWESOME, as the lack of scroll-wheel function (everything on a single line in order to see previous/current/next) makes it very slow and distracting to drag to the blank slide and click it. If this "*" functionality cannot be restored, can you make the scroll-wheel move the slides in the "Media Control" panel to the left or rights? Thanks!!!
8/31/2014 9:21:16 PM
"Cued/Current/Next"
Any word from anyone as to whether this is going to be returned and, if so, when?
I'm still using an old version because of this ;-(
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