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Lee
4/15/2006 5:35:16 AM
By way of background: Somewhere in here is a thread about using SSB to build "slide" shows that SSP plays back. I use them not only in the sanctuary as pre-service announcements, but also throughtout the SS hour on hallway/nursery monitors. They usually run between 100 - 200 slides.

In that thread someone asked for a copy of one of these shows. To accomodate those requests I did a Package to go on one, but it came to 565MB, clearly too large to deliver. So I tried to screen-capture pieces of the show, but that turned out just as useless and there is no motion. Then I tried making a special scaled-down demonstration show, but I began realizing there might be some copyright infringement issues that I didn't want to take time to research. Finally I tried making that scaled-down show with known free background videos, even if their applicability was nonsense. That method also proved to be a bust and the whole thing was taking way, way, too long.

It is quite problematic trying to pass ssb/ssp shows around, isn't it. What to do?

Well, finally, there is something that just might work, although not the best solution.


Lee
4/15/2006 5:53:36 AM
I took an actual show (which was in work and not quite finished as you'll notice), ran it using SSP, and put it on a DVD. You'll see how I do "announcements" of recurring activities, up coming events, a few scriptures, past events, and some interest junk. Mostly motion. Some videos taken by digital still cameras. What you won't get on the DVD is the sspss file; if anyone really wants it, perhaps to see the organization of the 180 slides, I guess we can find a way to get it to you. It is 27,628KB.

What is on the DVD is the 10-minute show, and 6-minutes of artificially demonstrating five features that I think would make SSB/SSP even more powerful.

I'll make copies and mail a DVD to you if you ask and provide me with an address. I'm at admin at derwoodalliance dot org.

iamgap
4/15/2006 5:24:27 PM
Posted By Lee on 04/15/2006 5:53 AM
I took an actual show (which was in work and not quite finished as you'll notice), ran it using SSP, and put it on a DVD. You'll see how I do "announcements" of recurring activities, up coming events, a few scriptures, past events, and some interest junk. Mostly motion. Some videos taken by digital still cameras. What you won't get on the DVD is the sspss file; if anyone really wants it, perhaps to see the organization of the 180 slides, I guess we can find a way to get it to you. It is 27,628KB.

What is on the DVD is the 10-minute show, and 6-minutes of artificially demonstrating five features that I think would make SSB/SSP even more powerful.

I'll make copies and mail a DVD to you if you ask and provide me with an address. I'm at admin at derwoodalliance dot org


I thought I would break up the email address, as this can be seen by the world. Thanks for the offer.
 

Karen39
4/22/2006 8:02:43 PM
Lee,

Wow!  Thank you sooooo much for the DVD.  Your announcement slides are beautiful.  They're really not even like slides.  They're more like movie clips.  They look like they could be on television.  Did you make the video clips the motion background of the slides?  I've never even thought of doing that.  How long are the video clips you used?  I may have to try something like that.  It would be great if we could use audio with them, I could see so many uses for that. 


Lee
4/24/2006 7:35:52 AM

Thank you. Yes, video clips (any video file) are linked in SSB via the Motion Background property group and played properly by SSP. This allows you to put text and other objects over the video.

One very important SSP feature that may not be well known is that if you have two slides and you link the same video file to both slide one and slide two, and if slide one's Slide Time is set to less than the length of the video file, when slide two starts, the video resumes exactly where slide one left it (it does not start over again). I use this great feature over and over again.

Regarding the length of video clips: they range from maybe 2 seconds to minutes. To play them you have to be carefully deliberate: when the Slide Time is longer than the video time, the video will start over. Sometimes you are using a loopable video file and that is a plus. Sometimes you are using a video clip that may be undesireable to start over, in which case you ensure the Slide Time is less than the video length.

One thing you cannot do is to put up a slide that starts part way into a video; it always begins at the beginning. But you can abort a video at any time (coarsely to an approximate second, not precisely by video frames) simply by the Slide Time timing out and going to the next slide using a different video file.

Yes, when the clip contains audio, there are occasions when you might want to play its audio, such as interviews, sermonettes, etc. R-Technics has said they will eventually add audio, but for this case it absolutely must be the audio from the SSB Motion Background file. Also, playing background audio for other slides might be useful, too.


Lee
4/26/2006 6:56:01 AM
Posted By Lee on 04/24/2006 7:35 AM

One very important SSP feature that may not be well known is that if you have two slides and you link the same video file to both slide one and slide two, and if slide one's Slide Time is set to less than the length of the video file, when slide two starts, the video resumes exactly where slide one left it (it does not start over again). I use this great feature over and over again.

Someone asks "Why is that important"?

It allows you to play a video with text under it where the text is replaced with new text while the same video is playing.

This is done by putting up a second slide having the new text (which causes the text on slide one to go away).

True, there could be an Animation > Settings for appear and disappear which would have its uses, no doubt.

But using successive slides will still be useful, even if R-Technics should someday add an animation for a text object to disappear. And it works today. When there is quite a bit of text involved, it may be easier for a show developer to visualize text on succeeding slides than to analyze animation properties on too many text obects on one slide.

dreece
4/27/2006 12:35:28 AM
Posted By Lee on 04/24/2006 7:35 AM

One very important SSP feature that may not be well known is that if you have two slides and you link the same video file to both slide one and slide two, and if slide one's Slide Time is set to less than the length of the video file, when slide two starts, the video resumes exactly where slide one left it (it does not start over again). I use this great feature over and over again.



I'm glad that you noticed this Lee! This characteristic was not an accidental side-effect to the SSP motion background design but was a very intentional implemention -- and not without it's shares of headaches by-the-way.

osborn4
4/27/2006 5:06:52 AM
Posted By dreece on 04/27/2006 12:35 AM
Posted By Lee on 04/24/2006 7:35 AM

One very important SSP feature that may not be well known is that if you have two slides and you link the same video file to both slide one and slide two, and if slide one's Slide Time is set to less than the length of the video file, when slide two starts, the video resumes exactly where slide one left it (it does not start over again). I use this great feature over and over again.



I'm glad that you noticed this Lee! This characteristic was not an accidental side-effect to the SSP motion background design but was a very intentional implemention -- and not without it's shares of headaches by-the-way.
I have appreciated this in the past.

Quite often, we want to start with a blank screen with just the background of the song that's about to start.

To do this we have an SSPSS with one blank slide in it. We insert this slide show right before the song and apply the same background to it and the song.

If it's a video or a visualilzation, it just continues as we move from the blank SSPSS into the song.

Great feature!  I know I appreciate the amount of effort that must have taken. But it was worth it :thumbsup:


Karen39
4/28/2006 5:55:46 AM
You know how we do that?  We just give the song an extra verse.  If you go to say verse 3 and then hit enter a couple of times, it thinks there are words there so it will allow you to make an extra verse with no words on it. 

osborn4
4/28/2006 6:05:29 AM
Posted By Karen39 on 04/28/2006 5:55 AM
You know how we do that?  We just give the song an extra verse.  If you go to say verse 3 and then hit enter a couple of times, it thinks there are words there so it will allow you to make an extra verse with no words on it. 
We saw that idea after we implemented our own idea and we've been using it for years now, so I don't think there is a real advantage to switching and retraining the operators.

We're still trying to get them used to the concept of having page breaks within the verses after several years of splitting verses into multiple verses instead.

The benefit I see of doing it our way, with the blank SSPSS, is that it's easier to skip the blank slide, if the worship team goes quickly into the next song in such a way that the blank screen would make everything too rushed.


Karen39
4/28/2006 6:08:41 AM
I totally understand.  As a matter of fact, your way would be cool too.  We usually have a slide with scripture on it between every song so I could see using the scripture over the same moving background as the song has, I may have to try that, that would be cool! 

osborn4
4/28/2006 8:11:06 AM
Posted By Karen39 on 04/28/2006 6:08 AM
We usually have a slide with scripture on it between every song so I could see using the scripture over the same moving background as the song has, I may have to try that, that would be cool! 
Try it. You'll like it.

It really helps in tying the scripture to the song. And flow is part of what this is all about.


jameststephens
4/28/2006 12:56:23 PM
Lee,
Thanks for the DVD. It is awesome!

twj
4/29/2006 6:40:23 PM
We recently started using Windows Movie Maker to make slide backgrounds. Pictures and videos can easily be made into a new wmv that ssp can run as a motion background. Our first efforts were just for annoucements. Eventually we could start making song backgrounds the same way.

Lee
5/1/2006 9:07:11 AM
Just wondering: Do you strictly mean "backgrounds"? If not, how do you handle such a large amount of text that is involved? Also, I wasn't aware you could add effects to text. And do you find there are adequate transitions?

...now your show is running and someone points out you have a date wrong. Can you quickly edit to correct errors?

twj
5/1/2006 5:53:40 PM
Anything you can create with Windows Movie Maker will have a final product as a wmv file that can be used as an ssp "motion background". It's not a fancy program but it is free and good for getting your feet wet. We have done all of our text (animated) in the slide show builder so any mistakes could be quickly fixed. I have made announcement slide backgrounds with a few JPEGs on the timeline showing for 2 to 3 seconds each and fade between them. The first JPEG on the timeline also needs to be the last one because Movie Maker doesn't transition to nothing and it makes the loop look seemless when run as a "motion Background". 10 seconds of wmv file requires about 1 meg of HD space. The idea is to give a slide something more than just a static look. The finished product looks a more complicated to create than it really is.

Lee
5/2/2006 9:18:36 AM
OK, I understand - you are actually making a montage. Here's what the book Fixing Windows XP Annoyances by David A. Karp (Chap 3 pg 69) says:

The Annoyance: I have a bunch of short video clips I'd like to play in succession ... is there a way to more permanently glue multiple clips together into one large movie?

The Fix: Windows Movie Maker can do this...Unfortunately, this is somewhat time-comsuming, and some quality is lost...

What do you feel about the books assessment?

twj
5/3/2006 7:22:15 AM
There are better programs on the market for doing this but Movie Maker is FREE. It works OK for JPEGs and offers some basic transitions. As far as how long it takes to assemble a "movie" someone told me that good video editing will require an hour of editing for every 1 minute of finished product. Once I got used to it I can make a 10 second loop in 10 to 15 minutes. I was just looking to spiff up the announcement slide show a little bit. Super sharp background JPEGs would distract the viewer too much from the message of the slide.

If I needed real high quality video I would learn how to use Final Cut that the video department has on a Mac G5. Editing on it is time consuming, too, but worth it.

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