4/13/2012 9:55:03 AM

Our previous Tech Director said that we had to project the title/author/copyright slide at the beginning of a song due to "legal issues".
He is no longer here, and our Worship leader wants us to skip that slide and go directly to the lyrics.
Who is right?
If it is a legal issue, could you give me a reference?
Thanks!

4/13/2012 11:00:00 AM

Hmm.. where to begin..

There is more to it than just showing the copyright info, you (legally) need permission to use Copyrighted music -- you may not display the copyrighted lyrics on the screen without permission. For most of us, that permission comes from CCLI (www.ccli.org) They also explain the issue pretty well: http://www.ccli.com/WhatWeOffer/ChurchCopyrightLicense.aspx

As far as the requirement to display a 'Copyright Slide First'.. You need to display the Copyright info at least once (it need not be first or before).
I prefer to display (and SSP supports the ability to display) the info on the last slide that contains lyrics.



BTW.. Here is what CCLI indicates that you need to do if you get permission from them:

4.0 CHURCH DUTIES

4.1 Church agrees that it will not alter or change the basic lyric, melody, or fundamental character of any Song.

4.2 Church agrees that each reproduced version of a Song will contain the Song title, writer credit(s), and copyright notice in substantially the following form:

“Hallelujah,” words and music by John Doe

© 2000 Good Music Co.

Used By Permission. CCLI License #______________

4.3 When required Church agrees to compile on a weekly basis the Fixation Activity of any Song onto the Copy Report. The Copy Report shall be submitted to CCLI by the required date.

4.4 Church agrees to comply with the terms of this Church Copyright License.

For a while we used an inferior projection program at our church. For every song, it displayed "Used by permission".. You could not turn it off. It looked, in my opinion, completely ridiculous when it said "Public Domain. Used by permission."

4/13/2012 1:41:07 PM

Mike's pretty much got it covered. I like starting with the title/ccli info slide, because the band usually transistions from song to song anyway, so putting that up for a bit fills that time and still allows us to get the lyrics up in plenty of time.

In those cases where they jump from one song to the next, with no instrumental bridge, I will place the ccli info on the first lyric slide, if I catch that they are going to do that in practice. Otherwise I will flash it on the screen and get the lyrics up as soon as I can.

But it is a requirement to show the copyright information, depending on your licensing agreement. CCLI and Christian Copyright Solutions are the noted experts in this field.

4/13/2012 6:12:23 PM

I put the info on a separate "title" slide. We sing about 1/2 songs from the pew hymnal
and I include the page number along with the title, e.g., "Amazing Grace -- 330 in hymnal."
That way our folks that just can't do without looking at the notes can turn to the song
before we start singing it.

4/15/2012 6:28:01 PM

We also use the title slide first. If we have a song that rolls right into another, I will set the title slide for the first song at the beginning and the title slide for the second song last.


gap

4/15/2012 9:12:59 PM

... and the title slide for the second song last.

Good idea, Gary. Could also put the title, etc. along with the first verse.

4/19/2012 11:30:49 AM

I believe that it is also acceptable to present the information just about anywhere including, for instance, in a printed bulletin, or perhaps even on a slide dedicated to preseting all of the copyright information for the service.

4/20/2012 10:50:06 PM

Thank you for all the information!!

I still have some questions, though.

Church agrees that each reproduced version of a Song will contain the Song title, writer credit(s), and copyright notice in substantially the following form:

“Hallelujah,” words and music by John Doe

© 2000 Good Music Co.

Used By Permission. CCLI License #______________

A. Do we have to show the CCLI license number? How do I find out what it is?

B. Is there some kind of regulation that states the minimum amount of time the information must be shown?

C. I tried to put the information on the bottom of the first slide of lyrics, but it showed up on both slides of the first verse. How do I do this correctly, so the information is only on the first slide of lyrics?

Thanks for everything you are teaching me!

4/21/2012 11:13:37 AM

Hi,
A. yes you have to show the ccli number, but this is your churches/organizations ccli number, you can find that out by going to ccli.com and using the login, when you put in a song from songselect it will automatically put in the ccli number, i think someone that can explain it better then me can put it in here

b. you must show the info at least one time per song, i don't think it states how long tho

c. if you are having the info on the first slide and you have the slides set up for page by page it will show up for the first slides that are together

like i said maybe someone can explain it better

4/21/2012 4:33:49 PM

You got it as I understand it.

C) trips me up every time I see it.

4/22/2012 4:57:57 PM

Is there a work-around for this?
Can I change the way the slides are set up (you indicate I have "page-by-page" view - ??)
I want to put the song/copyright info on only the first slide of lyrics,
but if there are two (or more) slides in a verse or chorus, the information shows on all the slides in that verse or chorus.
Is there anything I can do to get the desired result?

c. if you are having the info on the first slide and you have the slides set up for page by page it will show up for the first slides that are together

4/22/2012 5:14:58 PM

i don't know of any way to work around this..i hate it too...lol

4/22/2012 6:38:01 PM

I used to use page-by-page for a couple of songs where a song part was especially long. Now I have changed those to split the song part (e.g. Verse 1) to two parts (e.g. V1a and V1b). Then each part will only have one page, so even if page-by-page is on, it will have no effect on those parts. And the title wil only show on the first one (e.g. V1a).

4/22/2012 10:00:10 PM

Bingo, William! Thanks!!!

Can anyone give me a quick primer on how to put the song info on the first slide of lyrics.
I did it "by accident" last week, so I don't know what I did!
I'm so used to the title slide magically appearing before the lyrics.
Where is the setting?

4/23/2012 6:44:57 AM

Display Properties/Song Layout/Show/Display Lyrics/Show Title ....