Version 7 > October 2010 version slide time doesn't always reset when clicked
4/10/2011 4:26:41 PM
I'm not having a good time with the October 2010 update so far. I still like songshow, but it certainly isn't my favorite update! 
This morning I was playing our announcement slideshow and I switched to a slide that the speaker was talking about. I clicked on the slide to show it and then wanted it on the screen longer than the slide was displaying for so that people could listen to him and write down an email address off the slide. He was talking for a while and the slide was set to show for 7 seconds. Every couple seconds, I clicked the slide again so that it would not switch. After a number of clicks, every time I clicked it, it would almost instantly start the transition to the next slide.
This happens in both of the October releases. It did not act this way before the October release.
This morning I was playing our announcement slideshow and I switched to a slide that the speaker was talking about. I clicked on the slide to show it and then wanted it on the screen longer than the slide was displaying for so that people could listen to him and write down an email address off the slide. He was talking for a while and the slide was set to show for 7 seconds. Every couple seconds, I clicked the slide again so that it would not switch. After a number of clicks, every time I clicked it, it would almost instantly start the transition to the next slide.
This happens in both of the October releases. It did not act this way before the October release.
4/17/2011 12:00:43 PM
It also happens in the 4/13 release.
So if I click on a slide a lot, it starts immediately switching to the next slide. If I keep clicking it and then stop, it will start zooming through the slideshow super speed like it's trying to catch up with where it was supposed to be or something.
So if I click on a slide a lot, it starts immediately switching to the next slide. If I keep clicking it and then stop, it will start zooming through the slideshow super speed like it's trying to catch up with where it was supposed to be or something.
4/18/2011 10:22:32 AM
Wouldn't the Pause button (or even the stop) be a better option than to keep clicking on the slide?
4/18/2011 10:27:52 AM
I almost never set the time for slides since I can never be sure of how long they need to be up on the screen. I can't imagine a better method than to manually select and advance them -- usually using the "+" key.
4/18/2011 11:11:44 AM
Pause would probably be the way to go.
The other option is to make a copy of the announcement slides and set it to manual advance. Use the auto advance before/after services for the loop and then use the manual advance one during announcement times to bring up single slides.
We always make our announcement slides in photoshop and just use SldeShow to show the loop and insert the individual graphics for announcement time.
The other option is to make a copy of the announcement slides and set it to manual advance. Use the auto advance before/after services for the loop and then use the manual advance one during announcement times to bring up single slides.
We always make our announcement slides in photoshop and just use SldeShow to show the loop and insert the individual graphics for announcement time.
5/8/2011 11:53:17 AM
I thought pause might also be the solution, but this problem also causes other issues now. Last week I was jumping around a lot to keep up with the announcer and the issue started even when I wasn't keeping on one slide. Somehow the timer isn't being reset when I click on a slide and it didn't used to be this way.
Wow, Joel, that sounds like a lot of work!
Wow, Joel, that sounds like a lot of work!
5/8/2011 12:27:17 PM
I still don't see the reason for timed slides when the speaker most likely will proceed at their own pace. If you use manual advance and the "+" or mouse click the desired slide, you can show any slide, in any order, for any period of time. As for the order in which the speaker addresses the slides, I make a printout (6 slides to a page) so that they can proceed as I have ordered the slides. If they want a different order, fine, just let me know in advance. Of course, there is often some spurious info thrown in which I have no slide for -- in that case I just remove text and show just the background ("*" key).
5/8/2011 12:35:08 PM
Photoshop can be more work, but, for me, the results are worth it. 
5/9/2011 3:42:16 PM
Regarding the issue of clicking into the middle of a self-running slide show: This is something of some internal debate -- what would a typical user expect? If the slide show is not yet presented, is it expected to begin running from the slide that was clicked? If the user pauses the slide show, but then clicks on another slide, is the expectation that the slide show resume (as if clicking the play button) or remain paused. My guess is that it's a 50/50 split.
I can tell you, however, that if you present, then pause a slide show, if you then use the pull-down menu located in the media control toolbar (the one that will show you titles of each slide), using that will let you go directly to a slide without causing it to resume playing.
I can tell you, however, that if you present, then pause a slide show, if you then use the pull-down menu located in the media control toolbar (the one that will show you titles of each slide), using that will let you go directly to a slide without causing it to resume playing.
5/10/2011 8:37:09 AM
The behavior that existed at one time, that I had grown accustomed to, and liked:
+ If you clicked on the 'slide show' it played.
+ If you clicked on an individual slide, it stayed.
The downside with that would be that it would be more difficult to 'resume' .. but that too could be done with the controls.
I agree, there would probably be no consensus.
Right now, for announcements, I actually save 2 copies of my slide show. The only difference is the settings in the 'slide show properties'. One is set to automatically play and loop (I use this before the service), the other is set to advance manually, which I use during the service for announcements highlighted from the pulpit... If I have a slide that corresponds to what is being announced, I put it up.
I can't even imagine having a slideshow for the message advance automatically on a timer.. Is any Pastor really that well rehearsed that they have there timings down to that level? Our pastor gives us the PowerPoint and a printed outline. During the message, I have the preview panel set to 'Next' (sometimes pulled pretty large so I can read the slide). We simply follow along and advance as appropriate, sometimes the Pastor will prompt us. But, by looking at the outline, and looking at the 'Next' slide, we can pretty much anticipate when to advance the slide.
+ If you clicked on the 'slide show' it played.
+ If you clicked on an individual slide, it stayed.
The downside with that would be that it would be more difficult to 'resume' .. but that too could be done with the controls.
I agree, there would probably be no consensus.
Right now, for announcements, I actually save 2 copies of my slide show. The only difference is the settings in the 'slide show properties'. One is set to automatically play and loop (I use this before the service), the other is set to advance manually, which I use during the service for announcements highlighted from the pulpit... If I have a slide that corresponds to what is being announced, I put it up.
I can't even imagine having a slideshow for the message advance automatically on a timer.. Is any Pastor really that well rehearsed that they have there timings down to that level? Our pastor gives us the PowerPoint and a printed outline. During the message, I have the preview panel set to 'Next' (sometimes pulled pretty large so I can read the slide). We simply follow along and advance as appropriate, sometimes the Pastor will prompt us. But, by looking at the outline, and looking at the 'Next' slide, we can pretty much anticipate when to advance the slide.
5/10/2011 9:42:58 AM
Mike,
You've sparked an idea for me: Add a program-item setting that overrides the auto-run option in a slide show. This would let you have two entries of the same slide show within a program, one that is self-running, and one that works manually. This would eliminate the need for you to make two copies of the same slide show.
One question does come up about this, however: If a slide has multiple animations on it, what should happen when it is clicked in a program that is not self-running? Should it start at the beginning of the animations and require the user to next-step through all of the animations, or at the end so that the entire slide is presented? (This is whay the navigation controls are availale within the media control toolbar, to provide both options.)
You've sparked an idea for me: Add a program-item setting that overrides the auto-run option in a slide show. This would let you have two entries of the same slide show within a program, one that is self-running, and one that works manually. This would eliminate the need for you to make two copies of the same slide show.
One question does come up about this, however: If a slide has multiple animations on it, what should happen when it is clicked in a program that is not self-running? Should it start at the beginning of the animations and require the user to next-step through all of the animations, or at the end so that the entire slide is presented? (This is whay the navigation controls are availale within the media control toolbar, to provide both options.)
5/10/2011 11:48:33 AM
That is a great idea, and very consistent with the overall approach to SSP. (I had, at one time right clicked a slide show in the program panel to see if I could override those slide show properties within the program, but did not find them).
For me, I would prefer that animations within an individual slide, to play automatically (this is probably a fairly unique justification though).
I create the announcements every week, regardless of who is operating the projector during the service. By expanding the SS and looking at the titles of the individual slides, the operators are pretty good at displaying the right slide as the pastor highlights the announcements. But I have found, if I include animations within the slide, that the operator needs to click through, they don't always get clicked (so the congregation does not always see the final version). To get around that (with limited success) I have told the operators to display the 'current' slide in the preview panel (which always displays the final version) and click through a slide until the display matches the preview. However, I have had better results by forgoing the animations.
BTW.. being a programmer, I found the inheritance and overriding of properties at different levels pretty straight forward, but I have found it difficult to explain to non-programmer operators. The best analogy that I have been able to come up with it relating it to purchasing a car. You can get the base model, or you can upgrade to the LX that comes with leather seats and a CD player, or you can get the base and just get the upgraded CD player. Most of the operators, however, are 15, and that explanation is just as obtuse as an explanation of inheritance.
My operators probably could not tell you, for example, when they change the background of a song, whether they have changed it in the database or just the program.
For me, I would prefer that animations within an individual slide, to play automatically (this is probably a fairly unique justification though).
I create the announcements every week, regardless of who is operating the projector during the service. By expanding the SS and looking at the titles of the individual slides, the operators are pretty good at displaying the right slide as the pastor highlights the announcements. But I have found, if I include animations within the slide, that the operator needs to click through, they don't always get clicked (so the congregation does not always see the final version). To get around that (with limited success) I have told the operators to display the 'current' slide in the preview panel (which always displays the final version) and click through a slide until the display matches the preview. However, I have had better results by forgoing the animations.
BTW.. being a programmer, I found the inheritance and overriding of properties at different levels pretty straight forward, but I have found it difficult to explain to non-programmer operators. The best analogy that I have been able to come up with it relating it to purchasing a car. You can get the base model, or you can upgrade to the LX that comes with leather seats and a CD player, or you can get the base and just get the upgraded CD player. Most of the operators, however, are 15, and that explanation is just as obtuse as an explanation of inheritance.
My operators probably could not tell you, for example, when they change the background of a song, whether they have changed it in the database or just the program.5/11/2011 7:24:22 PM
I cannot understand manually advancing an announcement slide show. That would wear out the plus key pretty quickly, especially if you have a lot of animations in your SS. Before and after the services, the SS just run and loop on their own. I am a moderate to slow reader, so I set the time based on how long it takes me to read it. That way 99.9% of the people should be able to read the slides before they advance. During the Welcome and Announcement portion of the service, I right-click the play icon and select the slide being announced. As soon as the slide is fully displayed, I click the pause button.
I have thought about using the slide selections in the control panel, to select the end of slide x, but old habits are hard to break.
5/13/2011 8:57:23 PM
I only have one version of the self-running announcements. When I want to display a single slide (when a particular event is being highlighted by the pastor) I click that slide, then click the "Stop" button within 10 seconds. When I forget, it advances, and I am not always paying attention. So I would LOVE a property that would run/not run an automatic slide show.
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